When to Make the Moves On Her

August 28th, 2012 by Nick Notas 8 Comments

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Within 15 minutes of meeting, most girls know where to place you – either as a friend or potential romantic interest. Even if they’re not sold on hooking up yet, they can feel if there’s chemistry there.

That’s why when you’re interested in a woman you need to move things forward sexually. This is commonly known as “escalation”. As the depth of your conversation progresses so should your touching, proximity, and overall sexual intent. You start casual and get more personal.

By doing this, you build a connection gradually and smoothly. It gives her a chance to accept your advances or let you know she’s not ready or interested. Going suddenly from zero touching to trying to kiss her is awkward and more stressful on you.

Many guys are afraid to escalate because they don’t want to jeopardize their chances. The catch-22 is that waiting actually decreases the likelihood that something will happen.

If she’s interested, delaying only frustrates her, bores her, or makes her think you aren’t attracted to her. If she’s not initially interested, touching can help generate that necessary spark. And if she’s not interested at all, you find out early on and stop wasting your and her time.

The two critical components of sexual escalation are:

Physical – Touching her. Making physical advances. Getting a first kiss. Having sex.

Logistics – Leading her somewhere else with you. Getting her number and out on a date. Having alone time. Bringing her back to your place.

There are other ways to escalate such as sexual compliments and statements of interest but these two are absolute. If you cannot kiss her or even get her alone to see you, you’re not going to be intimate.

Both of these build her investment in you. Every time she willingly accepts your physical advances or complies with your leadership (logistics), she is opening up to you. She is trusting you more, showing vulnerability, and creating a deeper connection.

Below are general guidelines on when you should escalate from my years of experience. They are not set in stone. I understand you can break all the rules and still succeed, but these will give you the best chance.

Note: For the physical touching levels, please use this article as a reference.

Meeting a girl at night (bar, club, party, networking event)

Accepted touching levels: low, medium, high.

(At networking events, high level touching is borderline and depends on the dynamic.)

  • Within 1-2 minutes: Break physical contact barrier. That can be a simple high five, introductory handshake, casual touch to emphasize a point, etc (low).
  • Within 5-15 minutes: If she’s with a group, direct a personal statement or question to her. Shift your body language toward her. Initially you want to talk to everyone but soon create a one-on-one bubble of conversation. This allows the start of personal interaction without distraction. You can get into more forward touches (medium).
  • Within 10-30 minutes: Lead her somewhere with you. Invite her to grab a drink, grab some fresh air, or take a seat away from the music. This allows for deeper conversation, closeness, and heavier physical contact (high). This is a great way to go for a kiss since it’s private and she won’t feel judged around her friends.
  • Within 15-45 minutes: Go for her number. You should continue talking and hanging out after so it doesn’t feel like that was your only objective, even briefly. As long as the interaction is positive, the longer you are together, the more likely she’ll respond in the future.
  • Within 10-60 minutes: Kiss her (high) if you’re comfortable kissing at a bar. At this time, you’ve already touched her in less forward ways and built up to this moment. If she’s been receptive, simply lean in during conversation, kiss her, and roll back to discussion. You can periodically kiss her again now.
  • Within 30 minutes-2 hours: If you’re looking to have sex the same night, you should push to go somewhere else. Grab a bite together, hop to another bar, or invite her to hang out or watch the new Passion Pit video at your place. Moving together is huge and shows serious investment on her part.

Meeting a girl during the day (shop, park, library, etc)

Accepted touching levels: low (initially) and medium, high (instant date)

Unlike the nighttime, you want to keep touching casual and to a minimum at first. A handshake, high five, or quick touch on the shoulder is plenty.

If you decide to ask her to hang out then and there (instant date), then you can progress to higher levels of physical contact. Kissing may still be optional depending on the environment (public location vs more private like a park).

  • Within 2-15 minutes: Go for her number (often 2-5 minutes) if you’re planning on leaving.
  • Within 5-15 minutes: Go somewhere else for an instant date, unless you’re already sitting together. “I’ve got half an hour to kill, join me for a coffee.”

After getting a phone number

Before you’re seriously dating a girl, the phone is just a medium to see each other again.

  • Within 20 minutes-24 hours max: Text her. The three day rule is BS. If a girl is interested, she wants to hear from you.
  • Within 1-2 days: Call her if you like talking on the phone. Chat with her, rekindle the flame, and setup a date within 30 minutes of that conversation.
  • Within 1-5 text exchanges: Invite her out on a date. Don’t text for days or weeks on end.

Meeting a girl via online dating

Once you get a response to a message, you want to offer plans and get her number ASAP. She’s on a dating site looking to go on dates. Waiting will pigeonhole you as a guy who is only there to give her attention. Moving forward weeds out the girls who aren’t serious about meeting up.

  • Within 1-6 exchanges (back and forth) – Invite her out on a date and get her number. I find 2-4 to be the sweet spot. You can also suggest jumping on chat early on and going for her number there. The point is, do not send 50 messages back and forth.
  • Within 20-60 minutes of chat – Invite her out on a date and get her number. Since conversation is being exchanged rapidly, you can get flirtier and deeper quickly.

On first and subsequent dates

Accepted touching levels: low, medium, high

  • Within 5 minutes: Break the touch barrier (low), unless you’ve already kissed. A welcoming hug or kiss on the cheek (depending on previous interaction) is a great way to start. Guys are often scared to hug, but if she’s on a date and won’t even hug you, you’re gonna have a bad time.
  • Throughout the date: Escalate your touches from low to high as long as she’s receptive. Keep escalating until you…
  • Within 1-3 dates: Go for the first kiss. I would advise you should attempt it by the first, if not the second date. Latest is by the third and chances drop significantly after that.

    Do not wait until end of date to kiss, do it by latest 2/3rds of the way through. It’s spontaneous, takes the pressure off her at the end of the date, and leaves a strong impression. It lets the romantic dynamic continue for the rest of the adventure.

  • Within 1-5 dates: Have amazing sex together. I hate putting a number on this because I understand everyone is different and it’s a huge step. But, if sex is important to you and you’re not looking to wait until marriage, you should at least try.

    You don’t have to have to make sex your first date goal by any means. If you’re making out and having an awesome time, you’re fine. I find 2-3 dates is where it naturally happens, 4-5 being the outer edges. After that, it often indicates she wants a committed relationship first or potentially has deeper, underlying issues.

A basic rule of thumb about escalation is that as long as she’s receptive, continue on. If she hesitates or tells you “not yet”, then pull back, keep building a connection, and try again in a few. If she sternly tells you to stop or gets upset, you need to respect her wishes and back off.

When in doubt, it’s best to err on the side of being a little too forward rather than too reserved. You need to learn how to show genuine interest and see if she feels the same way. By making your intentions known through action, you’ll always get your answer.

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  1. Dating Bullet on August 31, 2012

    This is so amazing! Very precise step by step instructions when to make the moves on her. I love your moves on meeting a girl at night (bar, club, party, networking event), it seems very effective! Thank you so much for these great tips!

    • Nick Notas on August 31, 2012

      You’re very welcome! I wanted to make it as detailed and easy to follow as possible.

  2. Lukas on September 5, 2012

    I was nervous to see exact times written in there, but the order of it all makes sense. I have never tried to kiss in the middle of a date but I think it would calm my nerves instead of putting if off. What if she gets really awkward? Is it weird to try again when we say goodbye?

    • Nick Notas on September 5, 2012

      The timeframes are a good estimate of how things usually progress. But obviously nothing is absolute when you’re dealing with two real people.

      If she gets awkward from a kiss, it could be for many reasons. Sometimes a girl just isn’t ready yet or you caught her off guard. As long as she didn’t outright say “don’t ever do that again” and is still happy, you can definitely try again. You’ll be surprised how often you try again for a kiss and get it the second time around.

  3. Vadim on November 19, 2013

    A logical question: what if I, a male, am not even remotely interested in sex early in the relationship? I’m what you could call a sapiosexual – that is to say, I’m attracted first and foremost to the woman’s intellect, and all bodily matters come in later – sometimes much later. In fact, sex before at least 2 months of very close interactions isn’t even a negotiable option to me. Even that is only plausible given some kind of hormone explosion in my body.

    The obvious advice to change my approach is pretty much useless, given that it’d mean going directly against my rather significant values – and ending up in a kind of relationship I DON’T want to have. Granted, the kind of girl I’d be interested in dating would most likely not rush into bed either… That notwithstanding, would you have any tips for a case like mine? (I understand full well, of course, that this kind of situation is extremely rare and the odds that you’ve dealt with sapiosexuals is low at best. But I won’t find out for sure unless I ask, will I?)

    • Little Wonder on January 27, 2014

      I know that this is a tad late and that I am not the author, but I am a girl who would not rush physical contact either. I would suggest to slightly slow down the schedule mentioned in the article. Try to be gentle, but still hug her and kiss her. Humans need physical, emotional and intellectual connections. Turn the physical contact into a form of intellectual contact by being more intimate in what you say and talk about (not necessary sex talk but instead things that you would not normally share with others). Share your viewpoints and show her that you are comfortable around her. Good luck!

      • Nick Notas on February 5, 2014

        I appreciate your insight, it’s always refreshing to hear a woman’s point on these subjects. I agree that this isn’t the case for every woman but rather a guideline. From 6 years of doing this, I would say this is the most common time frames that are not too forward for most but still move things forward.

        That said, everyone is different and you should always pay attention to the situation. Use my guide on how to read a woman’s body language while flirting to adjust accordingly.